Iraqi artists depict anger over Abu Ghraib

**Boo Boo** · June 20th, 2004, 04:27 AM

OH BTW....how are the artist going to depict the treatment of innocent people who have been killed. The victims of 9/11, USS Cole, WTC(the first time), embassy attacks, the be-headings etc...

Those images will probably put simles on their faces....talk about some sick FUCKERS!!!!!!!!!

**Piña** · June 20th, 2004, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by Oldie Blonde Kenobi:
Pina, they don't give a fuck about us....never did and never will.

The terrorist hate everything American. They are threatened not by our weapons, but by the fact that our way of life may just be better.

They have attacked us in many ways, not just 9/11. They are a threat on our freedoms and everything America stands for. If you are not willing to fight for it, though SHIT....I'm just glad we have a President that is.

The Iraqi's are not the terrorists and frankly have never posed a serious threat to us. They were a third rate nation with a fourth rate military. Easy pickins for a "leader" who is ready willing and able to kill off thousands for his buddies bottom line.

There was never a credible military or national security reason to invade Iraq. This country was screwed by the real terrorists and then screwed again by a conscienceless bastard who thinks he gets his marching orders direct from god.

As far as your comment regarding my willingness to fight for this country. Go fuck yourself. I gave my country seven years of my life and I am more than willing to give another seven, or whatever it takes, to keep the oath I took when I enlisted. To protect my country and my constitution. If you want to question anyone's patriotism look at those who champion this invasion who aren't willing to make the sacrifice's they ask of our servicepeople.

**gae** · June 20th, 2004, 09:08 AM

Pina, you and your kind are as much a threat to this nation as the terroists are.

Tell you what. Since the muslims are so benign, why don't we just give them the state of Washington and let them take over.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. None.

Air America?

Iraq not only had no connection with AlQueda but Hussein actually hated them.

Source on this please.

Extremist Islamics want to kill non-Islamics just as extremist christians want to kill non-christians. Want proof? Well there's bush and all the people he's in the process of killing right now.

You probably missed this, being on the left coast and all, but WE.ARE.AT.WAR.

But really, do you think that the ONLY people being killed in Iraq are non-Christians? A new kind of smart bullet?

I think you ARE sympathetic to terrorists, because you fail to grasp the concept that they want to kill all of us. They aren't going to care that you don't agree with Bush.

Did you know that terrorist attacks have gone up 20% since we began this ill conceived fubar exercise?

Source?

Though I don't know what good it will do you when they bomb the mall you're in or the train you're riding.

But, but, but... I thought Islam was a religion of peace?

You'd rather kill the wrong people to line the pockets of a coward in office than take the hard road and insist that something that might actually make a positive difference be done.

Wrong. I'd rather kill the right people and have it done with.

**Piña** · June 20th, 2004, 06:15 PM

Thanks for the references, Lan. You're much better at it than I.

Note: This may be a duplicate post.

**Piña** · June 20th, 2004, 06:21 PM

Pina, you and your kind are as much a threat to this nation as the terroists are.

Open your eyes Gae, the real threat to this nation is the one sitting on his cowardly deserter ass in the oval office.

Tell you what. Since the muslims are so benign, why don't we just give them the state of Washington and let them take over.

Gee, that would almost be as wrong as invading someone?s country under completely false pretenses and killing thousands of innocent civilians. But again you still try and confuse muslims and islamics with terrorists. Most Islamics/Muslims are just people trying to get by. Trying to make it in the world just like us. Different culture? Sure, but still they?re just people making the best of things.

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There is no evidence whatsoever that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. None.
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Air America?

Pretty much everywhere actually, including your ?wish I?d been elected? leader.

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Iraq not only had no connection with AlQueda but Hussein actually hated them.
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Source on this please.

See Lan?s comments.

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Extremist Islamics want to kill non-Islamics just as extremist christians want to kill non-christians. Want proof? Well there's bush and all the people he's in the process of killing right now.
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You probably missed this, being on the left coast and all, but WE.ARE.AT.WAR.
But really, do you think that the ONLY people being killed in Iraq are non-Christians? A new kind of smart bullet?

Sorry babe, but WE.ARE.AT.WAR WITH.THE.WRONG.PEOPLE

Try reading my comment again and maybe you?ll realize that you got it wrong (again). I was comparing extremists of one flavor with the other to illustrate that there are crazies of all persuasions. Don?t recall stating that only non-Christians were being killed and your interpretation that I did is wrong (again).

I think you ARE sympathetic to terrorists, because you fail to grasp the concept that they want to kill all of us. They aren't going to care that you don't agree with Bush.

I?m sorry but where did you get the idea that I was sympathetic to ?terrorists?? I?m not.

I am however sympathetic to the all the Iraqi citizens who are being terrorized by this country.

See, you just can?t accept that Iraqi?s do not equal terrorists. You have no evidence that they are the same and yet you continue to hold onto the party lie.

Since you only seem to understand all caps:

<center>IRAQI?S.ARE.NOT.THE.TERRORISTS.</center>

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Did you know that terrorist attacks have gone up 20% since we began this ill conceived fubar exercise?
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Source?

Ooopsie, I misstated. It seems that I misheard. It wasn?t 20%.

It was ?Several US officials and terrorism experts familiar with that revision said the new report could show the number of significant terrorist incidents increased last year, perhaps to its highest level in 20 years.? (See the article I posted in another thread)

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Though I don't know what good it will do you when they bomb the mall you're in or the train you're riding.
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But, but, but... I thought Islam was a religion of peace?

As much as any religion I suppose. But again you seem unable to differentiate extremist from run of the mill practitioner. Most Islamics are just regular people just like you or I. Just as most christians are regular folk. It?s the lunatic fringe that you have to worry about.

Let me repeat that in Gae speak:

<center>MOST.ISLAMICS.ARE.REGULAR.PEOPLE.JUST.LIKE.YOU.OR. I</center>

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You'd rather kill the wrong people to line the pockets of a coward in office than take the hard road and insist that something that might actually make a positive difference be done.
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Wrong. I'd rather kill the right people and have it done with.

If you believe that killing the terrorists is the solution then you might want to try targeting the right people. Oh yeah, seems mr. incompetent was trying that in Afghanistan. How?s that going by the way? Osama still thumbing his nose at us and laughing?

Pity all of our resources, people and billions of tax dollars (for those who are concerned about high taxes), are being poured into killing Iraqi?s instead of doing some actual good.

Since you?re such a patriot, eager to aid her country in a time of conflict, maybe you should suggest that your darlin little daughter enlist and help ?kill the right people and have it done with?. I?m sure they could find her a place that wasn?t hysteria inducing as we all know she?s of an, ahem, delicate female constitution. Maybe something involving paperwork or latrines.

**LanDroid** · June 20th, 2004, 11:15 PM

Iraqi widows: FUCK 'EM!

**LanDroid** · June 21st, 2004, 03:44 AM

There is no evidence whatsoever that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. None.

GAE: Air America?

No, President Bush denounced this connection some time ago. The 9/11 Commission report also debunks that connection.

Iraq not only had no connection with AlQueda but Hussein actually hated them.

GAE: Source on this please.

As to the lack of connection between Saddam and Al Queda, the 9/11 Commission report documents this. As to whether they liked each other, it's hard to believe a non-Muslim dictator and a terrorist seeking to take down non-Muslim governments would get along. There was an Al Queda training camp in Iraq which worked with the Kurds to overthrow Saddam. Now we're asked to believe Saddam collaborated with a group that was attempting to remove him from power.

Did you know that terrorist attacks have gone up 20% since we began this ill conceived fubar exercise?

GAE: Source?

I don't know if the 20% figure is accurate, but the number of attacks has gone up. The Bush administration had been running around claiming the number of attacks declined, but the State Department just admitted those statements were based on inaccurate figures. They are in the process of revising those figures.
Link: Several U.S. officials and terrorism experts familiar with that revision effort said the new report could well show that the number of significant terrorist incidents actually increased last year, perhaps to its highest level in 20 years. (Need to make link colors more obvious.)

As to "Religions of Peace", once again here is the Word of God, the same one Muslims worship, as revealed in The Holy Bible.

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**LanDroid** · June 21st, 2004, 03:59 AM

Yes, as leaders of the world, when we abuse prisoners of war thus endangering American prisoners, release hundreds of prisoners without explanation, and when some artists make pathetic sculptures in protest, our only response should be an eloquent "Fuck 'Em". [img]graemlins/whatever.gif[/img]

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**travelinman** · June 21st, 2004, 09:21 AM

So LAN, I guess you think they were better off before we liberated them.

Iraqi Mistreatment Of Women
January 6, 2003
by Pastor J. Grant Swank, Jr.

A "terrifying place," Nicholas Watt, political correspondent for THE GUARDIAN (December 3, 2002), called it. It is certainly one of the understatements of journalism.

He was referring to the lot of women under Islamic rule - in the name of the "religion of peace."

Amnesty International consistently reports on Iraqi persecution, reason no doubt for 15% of the Iraqi population fleeing when an escape route makes itself available.

Saddam?s own family, including his son, Udayy, takes demonic delight in torturing humans, particularly anyone who raises an eyebrow in question of the hellish regime. This includes women as a special category for mistreatment. Torture is "systematic," according to Amnesty. Udayy even has gone so far as to construct his own private torture chamber!

What really could one expect when a religion and politic force upon women the obligatory head covering? With that covering goes the woman?s personal, female identity. There goes any hope for legitimately enjoying her God-given beauty and physical graces. There goes her self-esteem communication by way of smiling and glistening eyes.

The head covering is obviously symbolic of the female jailhouse existence under Islamic theocratic dictatorship. She wears on her head what is steeled upon her heart - no actual identity for this earth?s stay.

Then when female body torture is documented for the world to confront the Islamic reality, there is little wonder that the demeaning nature of head covering moves cruelly into some of the most horrific persecutions.

Documented torture includes: eye-gouging, piercing hands with electric drills, suspension from ceilings, electric shocks, sexual abuse, "falaqa" in which victims are beaten on the soles of their feet, mock executions, and acid baths.

With women in particular mercilessly squeezed inside the regime?s torture vice, Islamic men actually enjoy the right to murder women clan members "in the name of honor."

Further, if a woman is accused of being a "lady of the night," her head is cut off - in public, with family members forced to watch. Women accused of having anything to do with prostitution are raped. Accusations are most often undocumented.

In reality, Nidal Shakh Shallal states, "The heads of many women have been publicly cut off under the pretext of being liars, while in fact they simply belonged to families who opposed the regime."

In addition, imprisoned women and men are holed up in "inhumane and degrading conditions" with as many as 700 persons squeezed into one jail in central Baghdad. The facility was once used as a police dog kennel. In another prison, women and men are stashed in what is called the "casket" - rectangular metal boxes.

Executions are performed according to the whim of the regime. Over 95% of prisoners, women included are eventually put to death. The remaining 5% are used for police interrogation.

Women at the thirteenth Congress of the Women International Democratic Federation met from November 29-December 1, 2002 in Beirut to "go public" regarding current mistreatment conditions. Five hundred delegates from over 110 nations were present. Iraqi persecution of females was top order at the conclave.

Bodily harm to women was described in all its grotesque dimensions: rape, chemical weaponry, ethnic "cleansing", genocide, cultural obliteration, forced "disappearances" of politically leading spokeswomen, religious persecution, sex abuse, torture, executions, abandonment, separation from kin and in particular the misuse of the adultery law in order to malign innocent women.

Delegates brought to the fore the Iraqi?s official "Women?s Union" as an example of political mockery. It is an entity overseen by Iraq?s ruling Ba?ath party. The Beirut conference sought to expose this organization as a sham, indeed another determined channel for the persecution of women.

A 23-page Foreign Office report to the Conference presented specific detail. It stated the various means of torture against women in particular, such including ripping out of tongues, eye piercing, electric shock treatments, and acid dousing.

As a part of the statement, Um Haydar, a 25-year-old female, was highlighted as representative of inhumane horrors perpetuated against women. She had been yanked from her home, then her head cut off in 2001 after her husband had fled the regime. Policemen then took her children and mother-in-law to an undisclosed location. They have never been seen since.

An English writer was told by one of Saddam?s chuckling henchmen, "We could make a kebab out of a child, if we wanted to.?

http://www.opinionet.com/article.php?id=1356

Emperor Napoleon · June 21st, 2004, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Pi?a:
I'm sure they share the same sentiment about you.

They do. About all of us, including someone like you Pina who shows concern for their "rights". They would slit your throat in a heatbeat simply because you are an "infidel". I think you are <s>sick</s> misguided to even concern yourself over the welfare of any of them.

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